Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:17:08 -0500 From: email@example.com ("Terry L Parker") Subject: [libs4peace] Prez Can Bypass Congress for War? To: firstname.lastname@example.org ( "Voices Peace"), email@example.com ("Uncle Sucks" ), firstname.lastname@example.org ( "The Club"), email@example.com ("Progressive Libertarians" ), firstname.lastname@example.org ( "Politics Yahoo"), email@example.com ("Not Name" ), firstname.lastname@example.org ( "Not In Our Name"), email@example.com ("Millennium Libertarians" ), firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, LibertyGeneral@topica.com, LibertyProspects@yahoogroups.com ( "Liberty Prospects"), firstname.lastname@example.org ("Liberty Outlook" ), LibertyBandwagon@yahoogroups.com ( "Liberty Bandwagon"), email@example.com ("Libertarians 4Peace" ), firstname.lastname@example.org ( "Libertarian Principles"), Libertarianissues@yahoogroups.com ("Libertarian Issues" ), LibertarianDebate@yahoogroups.com ("Libertarian Debate"), email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org ("Austin War") Cc: email@example.com ("Paul Velte"), firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com ("Trailer Show"), firstname.lastname@example.org, Justice@tom-davis.org ( "Tom Davis"), email@example.com ("Texas Campaign" ), firstname.lastname@example.org ( "Ron Paul"), TCLPpatjdixon@AOL.com ("Pat \ Dixon" ), email@example.com ( "Mike Badnarik"), firstname.lastname@example.org ("Michele Messina" ), email@example.com ( "Marjory Glowka"), firstname.lastname@example.org ("Johnny Bartee" ), email@example.com ( "John Stossel"), firstname.lastname@example.org ("Jason Pratt" ), email@example.com ( "Clark Simmons"), firstname.lastname@example.org ("Celeste Adams" )
What shall American's do about:
CRAWFORD, Texas (CNN) -- White House lawyers have concluded that President Bush doesn't need congressional approval to launch an attack against Iraq, a senior administration official said Monday.
Art II sec 2 clause 1; The President shall be Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several States, when called into the actual service of the United States
Art I sec 8 The Congress shall have the power... clause 11; To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water:
The US Constitution is NOT a 'suicide pact' as is often said by those who advocate evasion of it by govt to deal with 911 and beyond.
America's Constitution DOES provide for CONGRESS, and ONLY congress to either 'declare war' against a nation or 'issue letters of marque and reprisal' to pursue non-govt criminals when there is no nation against which war should be declared. That process allows for vigorous PUBLIC debate BEFORE unleashing the deadly military might of America. It is the process REQUIRED to keep America from becoming a dictatorship while still facilitating APPROPRIATE response toemergency.
Americans MUST be suspicious of a govt that EVADES this public process.
Americans must unite behind the US CONSTITUTION and it's Bill of Rights rather than allow the obscenity of 'patriotism' being perverted to serve US govt dictatorship.
So, what could American govt become like without its Constitution and 'bill of rights' to hold it back?
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Examples from places around today's world of NO 'constitution' or 'bill of rights'
Cut throats of 'cut throats' possible absent constraint of 'constitution'
Without Constitutional constraint, 'community' can participate:
America saw Vietnamese 'ally' perform this street execution:
Torture via pulled apart by jeeps: http://movies.ogrish.com/armstreech.zip
Punishment via penis amputation:
As long as Americans are ok with govt engaging in acts of 'war' without adhering to the US Constitution's prescribed process for CONGRESS to either 'declare war' or 'issue letters of marque & reprisal' what's a little 'bill of rights' infringement?
Hey, there's a 'war' remember; 'war on terrorism' 'war on drugs' and... oh, you get the picture.
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